Good morning, everyone. My name is Miguel Leon, and I'm a program officer with the Michelson 20MM Foundation. Thank you all so much for joining us for this edition of our Connecting California series. Before we get started with today's program, I would like to share a bit about the foundation. Founded by Dr. Gary K. Michelson and Alya Michelson, the Michelson 20MM Foundation is dedicated to ensuring that everyone, particularly our most vulnerable populations, has access to the equitable post-secondary educational opportunities that lead to meaningful careers. We proudly operate at the cutting edge of higher education to help forward thinking innovators, nonprofits and startups close the opportunity gap. Our Connecting California series is one example of a project that launched approximately 10 months ago as part of our digital equity initiative to increase awareness of the digital divide and opportunities to close it. The series has showcased the range of things, including the brief history of digital inequity. Its root causes potential long term solutions and even uplifted exemplars of public private partnerships, whose cross-cultural efforts are making a difference for communities and people in need. Today, we are proud to bring together some of the brightest minds and most forward thinking leaders in this work with digital equity in the California legislature. The Golden State's historic opportunity here is Phil Kim, president of the Michelson 20 MM Foundation. Will share more about what's in store for us today. Phil. Good morning, everyone. Welcome and thank you for taking the time on this Friday to join us. Before we kick off, I just wanted to take a moment to recognize the Michelson team for their work and especially Miguel Leon the Connecting California series, which has provided such a valuable space for dialogue in the collision of big ideas over this last chaotic year has really been his brainchild and passion project. So thank you, Miguel. Today with the California Community Foundation and the Silicon Valley Community Foundation, huge. Thank you to our partners there as well. We're excited to bring this critical but often inaccessible conversation on broadband policy from the halls of the Capitol to this important audience of stakeholders representing digital equity thought leaders, funders and community organizations. So many of our conferences and convenings today now begin with the line that the pandemic has underscored and opened our eyes to longstanding inequities as the world reopens and we begin to now return to some sense of normalcy. The legislators here with us today are perhaps our best chance of making sure those important realizations are translated into meaningful and lasting change at this time. It's my pleasure to introduce Dr. Gary Michelson, founder and co-chair of the Michelson 20MM Foundation and the Michelson Center for Public Policy to provide some opening thoughts. Dr. Michelson. Thank you, Phil.. Good morning. Thank you for joining us today for this timely and critical conversation. Today, we have the opportunity to address a longstanding systemic inequity and to make the world a little less unfair. In his may revise, Governor Gavin Newsom proposed dedicating seven billion dollars towards addressing California's digital divide. We commend the governor for taking this bold and visionary step. Included in his proposal is the build out of a state wide open access middle mile network. The programs to allow for publicly owned last mile municipal broadband networks. These are just two of the many provisions that have the potential to reverberate for decades to come. The Senate and Assembly have likewise boldly answered the call, and we are beyond grateful to have all three of California's viable and currently active digital equity policies represented here today by the visionary legislators who have respectively authored and nurtured them . Assemblywoman Cecilia Aguiar-Curry Senator Anna Caballero and Senator Lena Gonzalez are at the tip of the spear in California's efforts to combat the digital divide. And we will reserve most of today's session to hear them speak about their efforts. Unfortunately, we are engaged in an asymmetrical warfare against the well resourced, well-organized, well incentivized industry incumbents. Major ISPs have mobilized on multiple fronts and are employing increasingly blatant tactics to maintain their stranglehold on service areas. We'll hear more on this from the Electronic Frontier Foundation. The ISP industry continues to inaccurately inflate purported coverage and service data using inadequate speeds of 25 slash three megabytes per second in order to disqualify localities from municipal and public broadband options, which they themselves drove to create. One telecom industry group has proposed that all broadband funds be allocated to California's advance services fund, which in its current form would stifle the impact of public dollars against the telecoms oligopoly. And of course, the industry continues to push for simple, myopic subsidies that reward their very own bad behavior at the expense of most vulnerable citizens. I thank the assemblywoman and the senators for sharing their time and work with us today and hope that the conversation can not only surface nuances around the interplay of these three bold efforts, but also spark our audience of stakeholders to take action. Please enjoy the discussion. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Michelson. Now it's my pleasure to introduce Efrain Escobedo, Vice President of Civic Engagement and Public Policy at the California Community Foundation. We'll also share opening remarks, Efrain. Thank you, media guys, and good morning to everyone. Dr. Michelson and the team at Michelson 20/20 want to express our deep gratitude for your leadership in early on creating the space, which is catalyze tremendous momentum towards addressing what our president, Antonio Hernandez, this has has deemed for us the civil rights issue of our generation here in California. And so this morning, we're proud to partner with you all and with our peers and tremendous leaders at Silicon Valley Community Foundation to continue the conversation. But more importantly, to begin to foment the movement required to really address two critical realizations that came about in this unfortunate pandemic. and one is that California lacks the infrastructure to achieve digital equity. And as a result, we saw hundreds of thousands of people in the most desperately impacted communities across California suffer even more than they should have to access their right to education, to access their right to health care, to even at the most basic, protect themselves from the pandemic by being able to access vaccine appointments. The second is that California also has lacked an investment in care in delivering to communities the assets necessary to access our digital infrastructure. And so we stand here today as a community foundation, knowing that this must become our number one priority issue as community foundations. We're in a unique position to also advocate for our communities and so flexing our ability to partner and advocate alongside our legislators. We're excited to continue that work and today are excited to, as Dr. Michelson said, have time with the tip of the spear trying to achieve greater digital equity in California to really see what are the essential building blocks of an equity movement in the digital space, which is voices representing those most desperately impacted. And to have the charge in the legislature being led by three women of color, signals that we are centering on equity signals that we must really strengthen this movement to take this opportunity to right this wrong in California and ensure that as we recover from a state, that we not only recover to a state of normalcy that takes in those inequities we now know exist, but that is more of a rebirth for California that is more inclusive of our most impacted communities. So, again, appreciate the leadership and look forward to the conversation today. Thank you, Miguel. Thank you, Efrain. With final opening remarks, we have Gina Dalma, executive vice president at the Silicon Valley Community Foundation. Gina, thank you so much. Miguel, and thank you, Efrain, for your incredible leadership. I am delighted to be here. I am so delighted that I get to thank Senator González, Assemblywoman Aguiar-Curry and Senator Caballero. Thank you for your leadership. Thank you for your public service. How proud I am the women of color leading this as. Efrain said it really fills my heart. Silicon Valley Community Foundation is proud to partner with Michelson 20 Million Minds Foundation, the California Community Foundation, for today's program. It's been said to be for the lack of access to affordable, reliable and quality Internet can be crippling and cause significant hurdles for the families we care so much about. A study from the New American Foundation for the foundation's work yesterday found that one in seven children do not have broadband Internet access at home. Sixty five percent of low income families reported that they lacked access to a computer or reliable Internet. And among families that don't have Internet access, more than half reported their connection is too slow. The majority of those families are Hispanic. The majority of those families are African-American. They are unable to use the Internet for job searches. They are unable to use Internet for communication with potential employers. And their children are falling far behind in school. You've heard it before. During the pandemic, more than a quarter of California families were unable to access medical care using telehealth. Building back a better normal really means that we must find solutions that are more just that a more equitable, equitable for all the members in our community. We need to close the digital divide. We need to close the digital divide. Quality broadband access for all means that children will have resources they need to excel in school. It means the more people can use digital telehealth services to manage and improve their well-being. And it means that everyone can have access to work, quality employment opportunities and ultimately upward economic mobility. Right now, there's a window of opportunity being led by these three courageous women. Governor Newsom and our speakers that you'll hear today have made bold proposals that can advance digital equity in our space. So let's not waste that window of opportunity. It is our hope for today's session that we all leave inspired to take action, reimagining broadband access in California and ending digital divide. Thank you all so much. Thank you to our partners. Back to you, Miguel. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Michelson, for your vision and commitment to digital equity and for bringing us together once again for this very timely and important conversation. Thank you to Efrain and Gina for your steadfast leadership and your dedication to justice. Now it is my pleasure to introduce our first keynote speaker, Assemblywoman Aguiar-Curry Assemblywoman Aguiar-Curry represents California's 4th District, which includes parts of Napa Lake Yollo, Sonoma Kaluza and Solano Counties. Assemblymember Aguiar- Curry is the author of Assembly Bill 14 The Internet for All Acts of 2021. Assemblywoman Aguiar- Curry has long been a digital equity champion, and we're proud to welcome her to our virtual stage Assemblywoman Aguiar-Curry Welcome. Good morning. Good morning, everyone, and it's an honor to be here today. You're right. I've been working on this for quite some time. And unfortunately, it took a pandemic for people to realize the need for Internet as well as telehealth. So with that, as I said, the the pandemic really kicked this off. I've been working in this room for probably 10 years now, and I'm not going to lie to you. Deaf ears. And until the pandemic hit, people finally realized that this is an issue not only in urban areas, because we have plenty of urban deserts. But in a rural communities. And it shouldn't be based upon population. It should be based upon access. Everyone should have access to telehealth, health, education, workforce development, you name it. And all your speakers that started this are named all the things that are important. And what we want to do is make sure things are affordable. We want to make sure the reliable and with time, we can get that done. I'm honored to have this conversation with you today. You know, one of the things that we have really dealt with and let's just talk about the pandemic briefly, is that patients needed to continue to see the providers. And so what did we need to do to bridge that access? Again, the word access, and we reached it by using telehealth. I ran a bill a year ago over a year ago, and it was supposed to be taking effect in January 2021. But because of the pandemic, we got to implement our bill in June of last year. So basically, it's been a test and the test has been very successful that we have now, people that can access telehealth. So this year I did a bill AB 32, which makes the flexibility that we had for the bill for telehealth during the pandemic. So we want to make sure we can have access, our health professionals more permanent. And so that access doesn't go away once the pandemic goes away. So while the pandemic had led to a lot of disruption, some patients access to care, telehealth, specifically telephonic care. So those on the telephone has allowed providers to bring care to patients that they may not have been able to do before. And the good thing is, is that the state has really agreed with this in so many ways, is that according to the California Health Benefits Review Program, or AB 32 will increase health care access while decreasing disparities created by income, race, ethnicity, lack of mobility, a shortage of health care providers or technology based barriers. So I strongly believe when implemented, will telehealth will revolutionize how we provide safe, equitable and effective health care. But what are we missing? We're missing the Internet. And so that's when I introduced numerous bills on the Internet. And this one is AB 14. And I'm working hand in hand with my colleague that I was speaking with. Soon as Senator Leana Gonzales. And we came about the approach differently because we hadn't been real successful last year. And I know a lot of it had to do with just the confusion with the pandemic and where we were going with things and trying to get people access. But she and I made a pact that we would work on this together from the Senate side, as well as the assembly side, because obviously we need both sides to come together. We would also work with the administration. So therefore, we have two great bills led by both of us that we intend to make sure that we can our constituents throughout the state, whether it be urban or rural, will have accessibility. So it opened the door by doing AB 14 for local governments, electronic electrical cooperatives and tribal governments to provide connectivity in their own communities where the private sector cannot or they choose, quite frankly, not to go into or to provide sufficient service. So our bill my bill has not only that, it gives opportunity for JPAs, special districts, those sorts of groups to be able to implement Internet connectivity in their communities. So my bill ensures grants administered by the CPUC, the California Public Utilities Commission, that are awarded to applicants who are willing. That's a big word here that are willing and able to quickly and efficiently connect households. Community anchor institutions, small businesses and employers by making eligible anchor institutions along the pathway of a project. So we don't miss opportunities to provide linkages to health, education, public safety, emergency services. I mean, you you know, you know the drill. And we want to make sure that everybody has access. To this, we also have the opportunity to create so many more jobs in California. Workers will need to have new skills and training to deliver these projects that we are going to go after. So as a group, many of you know, a lot of us are working in this aspect and to fight the fight. And together, we've put the momentum together to succeed this year. So now's the time to seize the moment and bring all of our constituents into the 21st century for the work in health and health and quality of life. And I want to say is that the key is, is that the governor's proposal? I will tell you that he as far as I'm concerned, I don't know if Lena will feel the same way that he's taken our language and put it into his proposal. So will we get credit for all the hard work? Well, we hope so, obviously. But the point to me is, is that I want people to be connected. And there's no reason in the state of California that we cannot figure this out. The governor has a couple of cool proposals that I'm I'm really interested in. And one is, is that the middle mile and the middle mile would be putting fiber throughout the state of California. I thought, well, how can we do this? How can we do it this inexpensive? But nothing's inexpensive, but make it reasonable to do that. The installation of fiber throughout the state and one of the his ideas was to actually use Caltrans runaways. Why do I like that? Because the roadways are already in existence. If we start putting this on private land, we will be there forever before we can get fiber up and down the state of California. So imagine, if you will, that we have 13 Caltrans divisions throughout the state of California. Imagine if you will, free the governor mandates, which I think he's going to do, mandates that Caltrans make sure that we get fiber installed throughout the state of California, 98 percent connectivity throughout the state of California in three years. I think that's the fastest way to do it. I think it's the prudent way to do it because we already have the right of ways One example that I use is the cost of installing fiber is the fact that look at a high speed rail, high speed rails. One of the major costs, one of the many major costs of that project was going over private land. And purchasing private land is very expensive and it delays projects. So I think the Caltrans idea that he's working on and proposing one of his ideas, I think it's a really good idea to help all of us to be able to get access sooner rather than later. I'm sure you have plenty of questions if you do, but I've been working in this realm for a long time. I believe in partnerships. My I was lucky enough that. Let me give you a little story. I was lucky enough, I was the mayor of a small town where only 5000 people. Economic development was dying on the vine. I took it upon myself to start working in the school districts because I figured when the economy came back that people would start wanting to move back to my community. And but the first thing they ask is, how is the schools? And my schools weren’t strong. My schools had no technology. My schools were rundown. There's electrical wires hanging out. Kids don't have connectivity I approach the Yocha Dehe tribe and they provided us with six hundred thousand dollars for the technology for kindergarten through fifth grade. We started to get that implemented at the schools. The parents came. The children came. It was like it sparked education and the need for education in my community. They also decided that the investment was so good that they give another five hundred thousand dollars for the high school. The community believed in education even more so. Lo and behold, we have passed three school bonds in my community, and the children at the high school have a brand new full new high school. And it's all based on technology. And I think that we should be doing this all through the state of California. So I, I really admire what you all are doing, that you are looking for lower cost, making sure people have access to support your entrepreneurs. Here is a prime example that we should be helping entrepreneurs to move on as we started to do the the last mile of installing Internet. And we're going to be more creative and have the flexibility. I really think that we have so much opportunity. So I really want to help all of you. And I really like to have recommendations. One last thing I'd like to share with all of you is that my bill has a fee in it. It's an existing fee. It's to extend the fee that's already that you're paying. And we're looking at maybe about twenty three cents per month per use on your cell phone. So everyone has a cell phone. And if you use your cell phone, you have a fee on it right now. That money goes into a bucket of money. One hundred and fifty million dollars a year. That money can be leveraged and that money can be cities. And counties can leverage some of that money that's coming in in this fund. Why is that important? Because many because we have not tapped into our potential in California. The potential is, is that there are health grants out there with the federal government. There is agricultural grants that are out there. There are education grants on the federal level. But a lot of times they ask you, you have to match your grants. And we could be able to go after those funds and ultimately make it really affordable for people to use the Internet. You know, if I had my way, I want it free for everyone. But we have to be realistic until we get the infrastructure in. We can't do a whole lot. And so I think we have so much opportunity. I am so excited. I'm so excited about the doors. It's going to open up. This should have been open. It shouldn't have taken the pandemic to do this. So I, I really appreciate that all that you all are doing, that you want to make this a priority to yourself again. You're more than welcome to tap into my office. Give us suggestions whether it's this year. But we really would love your support on getting our bill through. We are going to be going to do the Senate Communications Committee, I believe, next week. I know Senator Gonzales will be going through the assembly side soon. You know, be there for me, too, on the phone. Tell them how important this is. Right. write all of your assembly members and senators, because there are I know it's going to be hard to believe there are assembly members and senators that are not supporting our bill. They're not supporting it. And it's the most important thing for all of us in the state of California. So anyway, thank you very much. Is there any questions or. Thank you, Assemblywoman, I truly appreciate your leadership, if you will indulge us there did emerge one question. Has there been any consideration about starting a digital equity pledge, ala giving pledge and find one take corporate champion to lead this? You know, I am not aware of that right now, but I think that if once we get this bill through and we kind of filter through where we're going and how we can do it. Now, one thing I would really like to see come out of this is that if we are going to use the Caltrans idea that the governor has that I would like to see a czar, let's just call Mazara that overlooks the Caltrans, making sure that they actually get this work done in a timely manner. That's my number one thing. But I think we need to really encourage a group or someone to help cities and counties and special districts and tribes and JPAs to be able to form and go after philanthropic money, go after grants and know how to write these grants, go after health care. Health care has funding out there for telehealth. But again, it's when you don't have fiber right now, you're discouraged. You don't go after it and you go, well, maybe someday. No, the someday is now. And this is really, really, really important. It's important to me. I'm one of the older legislators there, but I want this for my grandchildren. I want it for all of you. I want you to be able to succeed. And this is the way we're going to do it. And I want and we need to hold hands and be a united front to do it. We can't do it alone. Senator Caballero, myself, Senator Gonzales, we can't do it alone, but we need you on the back end. We'll get this first of this first step going, but I need you to do it. I've told cities and counties you need to change maybe some zoning or do some figure out fines and all that needs to be taken care of so they can take advantage of this. So I think there's there's work to be done, but we've given fair information to the cities and counties. if this is important to your community, then you need to get on board. Thank you, if it's ok, I'll ask one more question. from our audience assembly member Aguiar-Curry. In terms of the infrastructure, how far are we projecting into the future? If we move too quickly, would we be making it more difficult to upgrade? No. So that's a really good question, because it's been asked numerous times. So I was told specifically I was at a broadband a big meeting last week, and top experts throughout the nation were there and they said never say futureproof. Well, but they did agree that fiber is the place to start the fiber is and will continue into the future quite well. So I can’t use future, whatever, anyway. But that's what they highly recommend. It gives you a lot of flexibility. It will give communities flexibility, open access. So that's that's the way I think we should go, you know they say, Well, how about satellites, Elon Musk? I'll think of something. You know what? It's not going to be accessible and it's going to be costly for many people. I want to make it just like electricity, you know, plumbing, you know, whatever the case may be, everybody should have access to this. So I think the cost will come down, the cost and why the ISPs have been stalling and not so into it is because obviously operations is expensive. Putting in fiber can be expensive. So let's just take this and run and get the fiber in and be able to work on the last mile. And, you know, we got to get to all of our businesses into our communities. Thank you. Thank you. I might be abusing your time. No, for one more member But which health and healthy equity groups would you say are the most engaged in advocating for expanded broadband access for telehealth? Oh, my gosh, there must be. Let me think how many others, over 200 that are signed up as our sponsors. So it goes from anywhere from Planned Parenthood to the federal equal federal quality quality, federal qualified health centers to community health centers, to doctors, to you name it. They are signed up on on the telehealth. I'm really confident. It has been a difficult road because with the leadership of the Senate as well as the Senate, the Assembly, we have agreed that we pay 100 percent parity back to doctors for telehealth and department health care services does not agree with this. And so we are beating heads as we speak. But our goal is to make sure it's Parodies at 100 percent. But, you know, this got through unanimously, both in the budget, both on the Assembly and the Senate and through the health committees and on our floor. And I believe it goes to the floor over into the Senate next week or soon. So a lot of good stuff. And, you know, when I see my my good friend, Senator Caballero, who's fighting the fight with me, but, you know, it's really true. Women get the stuff done. And we were hand in hand. We need to get this. And we know the importance to get it to our rural and our urban deserts. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Assemblywoman Aguiar-Curry, we appreciate your leadership in the legislature. Now I'd like to introduce Senator Anna Caballero Senator Anna Caballero represents California's 12th District, which includes the Salinas Valley, Some Benito County, Merced County and portions of Stanislaus Mandera and Fresno counties. Senator Caballero is the author of Senate Bill Twenty Eight The Rural Broadband and Digital Infrastructure Video Competition Reform Act of 2021. A longtime digital equity champion, we are proud to welcome Senator Caballero to connecting California. Senator Caballero know. Thank you so much and good good morning. I'm not sure if it's my days and nights are all mixed up. Good afternoon. I want to thank you very much for inviting me to speak at the Michelson Digital Equity Event, and good to see my good friend Assemblymember Aguiar-Curry This has long been a passion of hers. And whenever she said I agree with. So I'm really glad to see that she she was right before me. So thank you for the opportunity to talk about SB 28, which is a bill that will ensure that California, twenty one years after the 21st century, can close our digital divide and provide robust digital infrastructure to all communities, while ensuring access at the net to ensure that it's access to the Internet is not based on income discrimination. First, SB 28 put state assets to work. And what that means is that it requires the CPUC DG, the Department of Technology, Caltrans, Department of Education and any other relevant state agencies to inventory their state resources that we can put to be made available for broadband infrastructure with minimum down download speeds of 100 megabits per second. It requires the state to create a licensing agreement so that the state can readily contribute these resources to infrastructure development by any public or private effort. And it takes a really broad view of state resources. It could include real property to site broadband equipment and rights of ways that could be used for routing, fiber and even wireless spectrum that could be used for bandwidth capacity so that it doesn't matter whether it's the Department of Fish and Wildlife that may have an office in Modoc County or Caltrans right away. We can contribute these assets to make sure that we're creating public private partnerships to deploy faster and more affordable Internet access. So that's that's number that's number one. We can make it easier for us to do municipal broadband development with SB 28. And second, the bill amends for the first time a statute called the Digital Infrastructure Video Competition Act of 2006 for DIVCA DIVCA provides companies a state wide, 10 year long franchise license to deploy digital video services. And while there are a number of DIVCA license holders in California providing digital video services, five of them provide broadband down the same network pathway to ninety seven percent of the state's subscribers. And this is important because they're the ones that have bundled these services all together. And the reason it's important is because the federal government regulates the broadband and the state regulates the video services. And to the extent they've bundled them together, it becomes an important discussion to see where those services are deployed. So the prior to DIVCA these franchise holders had to negotiate with each local government to gain subscriber access to a service territory. So they had to negotiate 400 separate agreements around the state. And I remember those discussions because I was on the city council where we had some lengthy negotiations with our local provider, our local cable provider, because we wanted to ensure that they they had a reasonable rate that our residents could afford and that they had the the kinds of services that people wanted. And in in our community, it was Spanish language services. And so they had to negotiate with us. And when DIVCA was was passed in the early 2000s, it enacted it basically took that authority away from local government and created one statewide license franchise agreement and made it easier for them to access the public's right away in order to be able to put in cable. And so this DIVCA license is really important, because the main requirement in signing that license was that they would build the infrastructure in a way that did not redline poor and rural communities and that they they they provided access to them as well . And so they cannot discriminate. That's that's the bottom line. They have to build out their their their system without discrimination. And part of that. Is that they would self report their service areas, that they would be providing the service in. And so it's been 15 years since DIVCA’s enactment and the franchise rights acquired by these five companies. These five digital video businesses basically has has provided them with this opportunity to do a build out. And that same network pathway that first delivered pay-TV to consumers now delivers a bundle of consumer services, most notably broadband. So the current DIVCA franchisee franchises often deliver pay-TV, broadband, voice IP and home security all through the same network. And consumers have one cable that comes into their home, not four separate networks. One bill that comes from the franchise, not four. So the cable companies and the telecommunication telecommunication companies didn't go back and build multiple networks. Instead, they operate one network's mix and mingle the bits of data on that network, no matter if it's digital or video or otherwise. And the reason I talk about this is what the cable companies are arguing is that is that we're trying to control their broadband. And in reality, all we want to do is get data about where they're deploying that the the video services that we can regulate since it's all together, we're going to end up with information for both. And and we want that information in real granular data. That's what SB 28 does, is it says give us you have information on almost to the household level where you're where you're you're providing your services. we just want to know, we want CPUC to know where that you're providing those services so we can determine are you redlining? And if you are, it's prohibited and you can't do it. And in the bill, we forgive past sins so that we're we're not we're not interested in going and taking away their license. We want them to build and we want them to build into our communities. And if they're not going to, we need to know and we need to, then when that's when you get into to discussions about the Aguiar-Curry bill which is then we want to use the cast of funds that are so important to to help create these public private partnerships to be able to do them the build out. the CPUC does not receive sufficient self reported data from the franchisees to know whether Californians have access to the services in a nondiscriminatory manner. And so, SB-28 reforms DIVKA requiring granular data to be reported to the CPUC so that we can have an accurate accounting of who's researched receiving services or not. And I will tell you that during this Covid crisis, I've had regular monthly meetings into the districts with my House meetings that would normally be in person. And people have had to go to the library to sit outside the library to be able to access that Internet. It's a hundred degrees in the summer and they're sitting in the cars. And in the winter, when we're doing them at night, it is, you know, 50 degrees and they're sitting in the car. So. So I have a really good idea in my district where the services are provided and where they're not. And we wanted to know from the companies specifically so that we can start deploying the resources that we need. The other thing that our bill does is it puts local government back on the table. And when the license is coming up for renewal and they're having to explain where they deployed resources and and if it's if it's physically impossible for them to provide a service, we're not asking them to provide it. We'll come up with other solutions using our fund, our service fund. But but they can't. They can't just continue not to provide services to poor communities, and so what what this bill does is provide an opportunity for local government. It's why why I've got CSAC and the League of Cities in support, because they want to be back to the table. They want to be part of this discussion. And this bill will encourage discussions between the franchisees, the CPUC and local government prior to the 10 year license renewal. And and it it makes the make sure that the obligations are being kept, that the lack of access to advanced digital networks is not based on discrimination, and that we can pull our entire state into the 21st century. And so with that, I'll I'll finish. And I need your help, we just need to get it passed. You know, there's a full court press going on and a lot of things that are being said that are really not true. And it's this has been very surgical. We don't want to take away licenses. We're not working towards that. We're working towards access. Thank you so much, Senator Caballero. We couldn't agree more holding franchisees accountable to what they're promising is absolutely critical to getting us closer to digital equity for all Californians. One question from our audience, Senator, if that's OK. OK, the bill includes the word rural in its title, but does it also help under connected urban communities? It does. Basically, the the the the original act had the word rural in it. And so we just we're not changing the name of the act. We're just going along with it. But it really is. The bill helps to. To provide it's this it it, practically speaking, will help in urban areas as well. And, you know, I have some some great visuals. We started working with an organization out of Fresno that took these particular companies give data to the FCC, which is a regular federal regulatory agency that regulates broadband and they regulate broadband, looking at broadband as an entertainment service as opposed to a a necessary service like utilities. And so they're going to have to they're going to have to do they're they're regular. They're going to have to change the regulatory process. And I'm hoping they'll do it during this. This new administration. But what we have is we have a map that shows what we've been told in the Fresno area, which is a highly urbanized area in the Central Valley. And it shows the promises that have been made in terms of of a service area. And then what what is the overlay is what they the information they've given to the FCC. And and and while. Well, that's good data. If you overlay them, you see it looks like Swiss cheese. And there are all of these gaps in Fresno where there is no no, no Internet or broadband services being provided. And my guess is, if someone takes a look at it and knows Fresno very well, that they will see that the communities that are not receiving the service in the area, although it's been promised, are the poorer neighborhoods. And and so what we want is even more granular data, so that we're many times with the with the companies will do is say, oh, we're we're providing service to the census tract. But when you get into the detail of the whole census track is not receiving the information. Only the people that are wealthy in that census track are receiving receiving the broadband high speed Internet. So. So we we need that data if we're really going to do the kinds of oversight, we need that data in order to in order to be able to determine what what who is receiving the service and who's not and and are they being redlined Thank you. Thank you. And one last question you both mentioned to our audience, if they can reach out to your offices to get engaged and involved, they definitely should. What should our audience members tell their own elected officials about why they should vote for your bills? Well, I think I think what's important is if you think it is important to have data to determine whether a cable company is meeting its its agreements, because this is an agreement that has been that was part of the original bill, if you believe it's important for there to be access. Regardless of income, then they need they should vote for the bill, and it's it is it that the companies have an important responsibility to to all Californians. They were given an economic benefit of one franchise license. That's it. And they don't have to go around and negotiate with with four hundred entities. And if you're going to take away the right of local government to to make some comments and and express concerns about what kind of services their community needs then and and put it in one statewide franchise again, which has economic value, it has saved them hundreds of millions of dollars. Then they have to live up to their promise if they made the promise. And so they ought to be willing to give us the data that we need and they need to negotiate with us. We've asked them negotiate with us if we've asked for. We're we're we're we're we understand the need for for confidentiality, you know, for the protection of the public. We're not asking this to say, oh, you know, Sally’s house down at the corner, gets it. But Mabel's house doesn't. That information is not what we're asking for. We're asking for the the data as to exactly where they're providing their services, what their what their what they plan to do in the future, because it may be they'll say, oh, you know what, we're going to get there, but it's going to take us a couple more years. Fine. That works for us. But but then in a couple more years, we're going to come back and say, you still haven't done it. There is no requirement that if they make a promise, that they actually comply with it because they've made a promise. They have and they made a promise. And they and if they haven't complied with it, we just need to know, is it money? Is it that you're never going to do it because there are physical impediments to it? So then how can we devise a system that's going to work? Miguel, just so you know, our Bill AB 14 is going to be here July 5th in the Senate Communications Committee with Senator Hueso. So if anybody wants to get on and watch that hearing and do a me too or send letters in, both Anna and I would love to have your support by letters. I mean, I talked to our committee, to the committee, to Senator Hueso, as well as to the governor. I mean, they need to know we cannot wait on it. Anna and I are not waiting Nina not waiting. We need this done now. And my bills up in the assembly privacy on Thursday, July 1st, we have next next week. Got a few more days. Cecile is absolutely correct. You can just add on as I met you. You don't have to have any detail on it. You just say I'm from so-and-so, from this community. And if you're from the country, if you're a resident of a community of a of a member of the committee, that's even better. Let's see. Even better. Great, you've both mentioned timeline a little bit. There's been chatter in Sacramento about some elected officials saying that we should stagger Governor Newsom seven billion dollar proposal over the course of a couple of years. How does that impact our ability to get closer to digital equity? Well, some of the money has to be spent within three years, so we don't there's not a lot of time for wasting time to not get these bills through. We need to take advantage of every penny that's offered. And as you may have seen last night, the president's looks like he's well on his way. Hopefully get signed is on infrastructure and broadband is a big piece of it. And we want to be ready. You know, the longer we wait. My bill has the urgency on it. So it has to get done. We wanted to get done before the end of the year. Signed, sealed and delivered sooner than later. So we don't have time to waste. We got kids that need to use the Internet. We need to get the data. I mean, as Senator Caballero said, we have to get this moving along and there are ways to do it. And if we need to go around them, these three women are working on those projects are going to make sure it's done. Fantastic, thank you so much. Truly appreciate both of your leadership in our state legislature. Now it's my pleasure to introduce our last keynote speaker, Senator Lena Gonzalez. Senator Gonzalez represents California's thirty-third district, which includes South East Los Angeles Signal Hill. Portions of South Los Angeles and Lakewood and her hometown of Long Beach. Senator Gonzalez is the author of Senate Bill four the Broadband for All Act, a longtime advocate for digital equity. We are proud to welcome back for a second time to Connecting California. Senator, Lena Gonzales Senator. Hi, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I'm State Senator Lena Gonzalez, proudly representing Long Beach, my hometown and southeast Los Angeles. I'm here to discuss Senate Bill four, which is a critical measure to help close the digital divide both during and after the COVID 19 pandemic. While different, SB four is a continuation of the effort I put forward last year, even before Covid with SB 1130. I also want to mention that I'm a proud coauthor of AB 14 by Assemblywoman Aguilar-Curry. And I'm excited for our continued work on this pressing issue moving forward and through the legislature as we speak, according to the most recent California Broadband Council report. Twenty three percent of California housing units home to eight point four million residents don't have a broadband subscription. Roughly six hundred seventy four thousand households lack high speed broadband. That's three hundred and five thousand in urban areas and three hundred sixty nine thousand in rural areas. A lack of access to High-Speed Internet was an issue in our communities even before this pandemic took hold. And that was evident in our education community in particular. The need for modern infrastructure has been greatly amplified with the movement of health care, work and education to online platforms in response to COVID 19 across the state. We are seeing examples of how the digital divide is preventing Californians from engaging in critical digital activities, whether it's being seeing students having to go to a Taco Bell parking lot in Salinas to get Wi-Fi connections, to do their homework, or older Californians who do not have fast enough Internet to receive telehealth services or even to connect with families. A lack of long term investment in 21st century ready broadband technologies is a key driver of the existing digital divide in California. SB four will begin to provide the investment needed to build fiber connectivity to every home, school and business in California. Specifically, this bill will redefine the eligibility requirements for the California Advanced Services Fund to enable infrastructure projects to be built in unserved and underserved communities. This change in criteria will help local governments and Internet service providers of all sizes to apply for grants and at the same time invest in 21st century Internet infrastructure that can meet Californians everyday needs. Currently, the eligibility requirements for the Advanced Services Fund are tied directly to low Internet speeds, making most interested entities who would like to deploy fast speeds in eligible for grant funds. SB four will also stabilize the funding source for the Advanced Services Fund by extending the sunset on the program and surcharge for an additional 10 years while capping the former percentage based fee to 150 million dollars a year. This is a similar formula to our existing nine one one surcharge. This bill will provide critical funding grants to unserved and underserved communities to build High-Speed Fiber broadband networks at minimum speeds of 100 megabytes per second download and 20 megabytes per second upload. This measure provides a solution to chronic Internet issues in all communities throughout California. SB four does not pick winners and losers. It simply enables grants to be awarded based on Internet access and speeds wherever you are in the state. Only 59 percent of rural homes with school age children have broadband. And in Los Angeles, where I'm from, one quarter of students don't have access to the Internet. In Oakland, it's a third. The need for better Internet access is truly a statewide issue. It's critical that urban districts like mine and rural districts like my colleague, Assemblymember, Aguiar-Curry that we represent all work together to ensure that broadband for all is truly a reality. SB four has a growing and diverse coalition of supporters that I'm really proud of. It's made up of 100 organizations, including local governments, education advocates, labor unions, small Internet service providers, businesses and many more. I am proud of this excellent coalition. And while we've made great progress with SB four, there's still so much more work to do. As before will be heard in the Assembly Communications and Conveyance Committee on Wednesday, July seven. Let's be ready. I urge all of our supporters to reach out to their representatives and members of each committee that SB-4 is heard and to express how crucial this measure is in closing the digital divide for any organization that is interested in supporting SB-4 I encourage you all to submit a support letter or contact my office to be added to our larger support coalition. I really look forward to advancing this effort in the legislature. It's my priority, Bill. And ultimately getting SB-4 signed into law by Governor Newsom is top of my agenda. If you have any questions or suggestions for SB four, please email or call my office. We're ready to listen. Thank you to everyone, and especially thank you to the Michelson 20MM and California Community Foundation for organizing this amazing event. We appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you, Senator Gonzalez, and to all our elected officials for your leadership to bring this all together and to add even more color to the current digital equity landscape. We've invited our friend, Mr. Falcon, senior legislative counsel at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, to join us today. Ernesto represent EFF’s advocacy on behalf of its members and all consumers for a free and open Internet for state legislatures and Congress. Falcon’s work includes pushing the state of California to pass the strongest net neutrality law in the country in response to federal repeal efforts, as well as leading EFF’s, research and advocacy to promote universally available, affordable and competitive fiber broadband networks. Welcome, Ernesto. And thank you for for that introduction and and thank you so much to all of our legislators who are really kind of leading the fight. You know, these are the folks who I look to in Sacramento as the folks who get it and as well as the ones who are the go to people for for solving this problem. And so, you know, as Miguel mentioned, I'm going to bring together kind of the the ideas and the themes and and string all together, because there's a story that's being told in real time now. And there's a history here that we have to understand in order to understand what the better future will be. So it was mentioned, I am lead researcher at the EFF on 21st century access. And how do we get it to all people? I've been digging into this this issue for many years with the assistance of a variety of of engineers and folks in the financial markets and other leaders among industry in the public sector to really kind of bring this together in California is is is a place where we could be a global leader. Right. We can be a part of the world that people look towards as the leader on on cheap, fast access for all people. We have the capacity to do it. But the question is, what's missing? What have we been doing? So, you know, historically, for years, decades even, we have spent an awful lot of money subsidizing the same small number of large national private players, your AT&T, your Comcast, your Charters. And I can say definitively the over-reliance on them has been a core part of our mistake. They will never, ever, no matter how many carats, if you will give them, they'll never be the source of the solution. If we are interested in this basic idea of universality, every single person's connected affordability, meaning it's at prices that that all ranges of people, of income, of of all ranges of income can afford. If we truly believe everyone deserves access and in 21st century readiness, which means not a basic minimum speed or some sort of slow network, they kind of barely let you connect to the Internet. But real robust connectivity that lets you do all things that are available to the Internet regardless of your socioeconomic status. So, you know, you've heard SB-28. I think that a copy of this bill, that really is kind of the the necessary rethinking of how do we treat this as as a necessary central infrastructure rather than a private luxury. And how do we start asking the correct questions from a policy standpoint of where are you not going to be serving and and have clear clarity, I will say, from the the reason why even your densely populated, really lucrative communities like Los Angeles and San Francisco and Oakland, places that really have no reason to have the the digital divide, where they have the core part, the part of the problem there is your big private players. They look at communities and they look at it. They break it down like this. Which house? Which area can I invest money into building 21st century access? And who will pay a high enough bill to pay me back in the three to five year window? And I'm here to tell you, based on just the the fundamental math of that means discrimination, because that that isn't necessarily mean like who is commercially feasible, you know, which is the term they like the over subscribed to. But it's not what they're talking about. They're talking about who's going to give me a fast and big profit on a very short turnaround. And, you know, that's a dynamic that's driven by Wall Street investor expectations, dividends, all the quarterly reporting of profits, all these things that that national publicly traded companies deal with as a means of appeasing a completely different status of of holders of these companies. Certainly not something that's really well equipped to meet a community need, particularly when we talk about low income urban and especially rural. So, you know, it's time to really dig into what's called digital redlining, because it is pervasive in a state. There's been two fairly consequential studies, one from the Greenlining Institute for Oakland and another from the University of Southern California for Los Angeles County. They show pretty clear and very even in places it would be profitable to serve every single person, profitable. Right. You would make money on this at some time frame with an investment that they are choosing the extra profits you gain from discrimination, meaning, you know, prioritizing only the high income neighborhoods and leaving the low income neighborhoods behind which deliver a discriminatory profit. But they are doing that in a systemic way, that’sleaving behind black or brown neighborhoods all throughout the state and for no good reason. Right. There is no valid argument for from an economic standpoint for them. It's purely a super profit that you can make in the absence of regulation and the absence of policy to weigh against that. And then in terms of SB 4 and AB 14 From Assemblymember Aguiar-Curry and Senator Lena Gonzales you're in kind of merging what the governor's plan, you know, this really boils down to one one simple premise. The the big private players have have been forced to build an old infrastructure decades ago, you know, in the era of monopolies and, you know, a very different history than we have now. And we now have this like systemic problem where lots of areas, not just like distant, far off rural, but a whole ton of California is no longer accessing High-Speed Internet ready for the 21st century. We are accessing barely good enough speeds at very high, very high price points. And you have large, large swaths of areas that have no access. And what Governor Newsom has proposed is, is this kind of mixed idea of several steps. One, and then we an easy way to think about it, right. Is it seven billion dollars in terms of investing in several different tranches of approaches? In the most straightforward way to think about this is, you know, building the roads that enable commerce, that enable being an active participant in society, that the state will build the freeway highway portion of of the 21st century Internet, which is that's open access, middle mile fiber network. And the idea is the state government will be responsible through Caltrans and other agencies to extend the capacity connected to the modern Internet, a 21st century access to all blocks in all corners of the state of California, so that there isn't a situation where even if your community was motivated to come up with own solution, that you just don't really have a way to connect to to the to the high capacity end of the Internet. The you know, the fastest portion is delivered those fast speeds. So the state with the state would intend to spend four and a half billion dollars to solve that for everyone and then set aside to two separate sets of money, one called a loan loss reserve, about five million dollars there, and then grants through the California Advanced Services Fund updated to meet modern needs. And the combination of those two, we'll talk about the loan loss reserve piece, what's very innovative, what California is doing. But it's absolutely essential that we do as a state. And there's a reason why there's opposition from AT&T and cable. And I'll explain that in a sec. is the state wants to bolster and build up local community options, rely on non-profits, cooperatives, school districts, local governments to the exclusion of the large national players. And I think that's perfectly fair and rational and correct, because we already know what the for profit private model of distribution of broadband looks like. We live it today. We know what it feels like under even under pandemic situations where we throw a lot of money at it. And that was, you know, very slow, expensive mobile hotspots of low income people so that they can remote connected schools. We've lived the experience. And so if you if you connect what I was talking about earlier about the profit driven, short return, fast profit approach to deployment with with our lived experience during the pandemic, you'll understand why it's time to start thinking about what our other alternative local options are. And it's time to build those options in order to solve this problem in the near future. And, you know, some of the you know, an interesting study that was mentioned earlier, the New America Foundation, folks, this is a think tank out in Washington, D.C. that does really good analysis of prices. People pay for broadband and have a great study called the cost of connectivity. In that study, it shows Los Angeles pays somewhere around three to four times the average of what you should be paying for broadband access. And the places that have the globally competitive best prices, meaning the best, fastest Internet pricing in the world are local governments. Chattanooga, Tennessee, being one of the leads, and then Seoul South Korea being in the other list of private versions. And that that really kind of goes to show just the amount of potential that's being suppressed about what we can deliver, you know, as a community, especially in our large cities, but also just the fact that even your ruled territories of California, you know, if you enable the public model, if you enable the entities who are not driven by fast rate of return, a fast profit are more motivated to say, you know what, we're willing to look at this from a 30 to 40 year investment plan and a 30 to 40 year plan. And we just need to be make it be sustainable not super profitable, not not a way to pay dividend holders. You'll be surprised to the extent that the cheap, fast Internet of the 21st century can reach lots, lots more people than it is today. And a great example of this, you know, to kind of to parse out and pick out the private players. Frontier Communications, they're one of the largest rural broadband providers in the state of California About two million Californians use them. They went to bankruptcy. Right. They. Went to bankruptcy because of one simple thing they neglected as far as long as they could to invest their networks for as long as they could to milk the dying assets of 1990s, 1980 era copper lines that they run today. And the reality is, people eventually had to find any other means to get a little bit better speed of Internet in order to access the modern the modern services and applications we use. And it happened so fast that they just weren't ready for you know, they expected perpetual captivity of users to pay for, you know, long ago paid off infrastructure. And when when the switch happened, too fast for them, you know, What they ended up doing is they go to investors and their stockholders. They said, hey, if we're allowed to think about this from like a 10 year window rather than the three to five year window of profitability, but the big national players traditionally operate under. turns out there's millions of people we can connect to fiber, gigabit fiber, you know, fast, cheap Internet for profit. And they had to negotiate with stockholders and investors to allow them to take a slightly longer term view. And I say all that because it's very important to understand about your public entities and your and your local operatives and your non-profits. they're not subject to that type of restraint, right. They can look at this and say, if the states want to back our effort to connect all people, low income, high income doesn't matter. Just the nondiscriminatory universal build-out that can be sustainable on its own. As long as we take a Long-Term View, then, you know, it can't be done. it can be done lots of other parts of the country, and it's just not being done to the extent it should be in California. Absent Governor Newsom’s Plan, Governor Newsome's plan would essentially be the largest investment in the history of the United States in public local infrastructure that will be able to do things like allow kind of your at cost your profit offerings for low income people because taking one step back. We often talk about competition in this space, and your competitive rates are probably somewhere around 40 to 60 dollars per month is what you should be paying. I suspect almost no one here, with great exception, paid that little for broadband, very fast broadband. I suspect most of us paid twice or three times that price. But even that might be too much for, you know, people of the most limited income. and you will never get a private profit driven entity to solve that problem, because it's ultimately a problem that is premised on how do we deliver access at at cost? How do we deliver it at a sustainable way to deliver a quality service, quality access at the lowest price point? And to give you a real world example of when a public entity engages in this issue of equity and how to deliver access. Chattanooga, Tennessee, as I mentioned earlier, the world's fastest and best price ISP run by tiny local government. Right. Not a big national player. When the pandemic hit them in that community, they basically tackled their Low-Income Access issue by simply by simply kind of leveraging the existing infrastructure. They already paid for all the fiber wires they already built into all these homes, but without discrimination and calculated out that if they can raise 8.2 million dollars in charitable giving, they can provision free Internet at 100, down 100 megabits down, megabit up, which is a very fast speed far beyond your today's needs. But but and will be adequate to handle years out in advance of future needs for free for 10 years at eight point two million dollars for seventeen thousand students. So you did to do the quick math there. It's basically at the zero profit. At cost approach for them was three dollars and fifty cents per month for kid. And that is just not doable by private sector entities. Right. They have to make some sort of money from this. They can't just simply say, like, you know, how do we do this without making any money? Well, your public sector entities, your school districts, your libraries, you know, these are the players we have to empower. If we are serious about not just universal access to the infrastructure, but affordable access at a point that all people can make use of. So, you know, Governor Newsom's planned. And to kind of recap and to put simply is the state will build the highway portion of the Internet. It will empower all the local players of all walks and stripes that are not the big national AT&T, Comcast of the world, but the local player to come up with their own solutions . And the state will will back there, play with long term, you know, 30 to 40 year financing, you know, dirt cheap debt, as well as grants to help kind of cover some of the most expensive parts of a of a network to build. And I'm here to say, if that were to become law, you will look at the digital divide in a historical context in the state 10 years from now. And you'll you will think back and remember it as the you know, the story of those little kids going to that Taco Bell parking lot to do homework. That will be a historical footnote. Right. And so who's opposing that? Well, it's it's the you know, it's the AT&T and cable companies, right? It's the folks who have no have nothing to gain with a change of status quo and everything to gain from from maintaining the status quo. They profited handsomely from the pandemic, right? You look at any of their profit margins in any of the challenges, none of these companies lost money. Right. All these companies, because of the service, they sell an essential service, which I think last poll I saw from Consumer Reports shows about supermajority. Three out of four of us in this country consider broadband to be the same as water and electricity in terms of importance in your livelihood. And so you have nearly unregulated private monopolies in many places, selling an essential service that you had to buy. And anything that would disrupt the extremely cozy situation they have is going to be opposed. They don't like the idea of building local expertize so that when should the next pandemic hit or the next disaster, if it requires an emergency response and all of us coming together, they don't like the idea that if you as a community say we need a solution and your school district can come up with it rather than the Comcast, they don't like that idea. They want only you to come to them at the end of this. And so I think it's it's very important that Governor Newsom’s plan passes as written, because what they are attempting to do and I wrote a piece on this, but I'm happy to share it, folks would be happy to share with the community here. But what they're asking actively to do is ask the state we're rather in the state, get too involved in building this out themselves, to come up with these own solutions and the alternatives we have refused to build ourselves as the large national players, how about we just subsidize us enough for another seven billion dollars. Right. And I could tell you that would essentially light that money on fire And we will have nothing to show for it after the fact. And I hope that all of us kind of can share in the commitment to calling our state legislators, our assembly members, our state senators, to demand that they support Governor Newsom’s plan and to also take that extra step to support the bills that have been proposed, that have been talked about, about our fellow legislators here, because each of those, are a critical piece of the better solution and a better future. Right. It's time to start building robust connectivity. Not anything goes minimum minimum offerings without, you know, without any expectations. It's time to start treating this infrastructure as an essential service because we don't regulate it as such right now. And it's time to start really putting equity at the front of the stage of an essential service. you know, this is no longer a private luxury. Where it is acceptable for profiting from discriminatory deployment is is a means of doing business in the state of California. You know, EFF has called on both at the federal as well, the state level, and we work on this issue. but the issue of digital redlining in particular is really near and dear to us. And we know we are affected saying this should just be abolished as a matter of law, just like we have done in the past. And, you know, my hope is through our collective effort, we can we can get there. So I’ll go ahead and pause there and I'm happy to answer if there's any questions that came up on the plans or kind of the nature of the situation today. Thank you, Ernesto. So one question did come up from our audience, many rural counties are understaffed and are not actively making plans for bringing fiber to their communities and don't have the capacity to take on these projects. Do you think there is a role for the creation of new broadband cooperatives to assist the counties or potentially other solutions? Yes, I think absolutely. So I think there's a few things to to think through here. We have friends in other parts of the country that are better for solving this issue for themselves. And I think the state can play a very critical role in tapping into the expertize that does exist in the in the communities that have been building in lots of places. And in helping bring that knowledge and resource to to us in this state, you know, if we think back to rule electrification. Right, that's often the means of comparable here. And I think it's fair. It wasn't that the government just said, here's a bunch of money now go build what the government actually did. was it created technical training, It had partnerships, direct relationship with the communities to help teach them how to build the solution for themselves. And that's what launched lots of these electric cooperatives. Most of them in California have been bought up because of PG&E and the private utilities. They bought up most of the local cooperatives that were that were built over the in the past. But we still have a few. And in those few, you know, they're very active, actively engaged in this effort too I think it's time to think of how do we how do we train up people to form their own cooperatives in the if they if they lack some other local means of building it up? You know, it's it is local ownership is is a big way to you know, it's how we solvedelectricity. And, you know, I can say definitively and I'll take a quick step back, and because I think I skipped this step about why the emphasis on fiber. Because I think it's very important. Understand this, because it explains a lot of what what industry has been doing here and not not doing, for that matter. But, you know, I've seen enough examples of extremely difficult rural areas of this country being built with gigabit, you know, affordable fiber capacity by local cooperative, you know, into to really come to a conclusion. And this is you know, this how they how they explain it to me. And I agree. It's like, look, if we figured out how to run a electricity line to this house, which electricity is not a simple thing. Right. That's a that's a complicated engineering feat as well. If we figured that out, there is no technical leap to figure out how to deliver broadband access to this household too you know, through a fiber line. You know, it's like if you figured out how to get that wire that delivers electricity out to that place, we are not talking about massive leaps and steps beyond technological. understanding how to do it again with broadband access. But but the core part of the solution of rural electrification was recruiting local partners, training local talent, teaching them how to build it and run it themselves. And I think the state of California has a very important role. If as a follow on in terms of the the budgeting. Right. It's not just money at the end of the day. And I'll I'll add just the separate from that question and why I emphasize fiber. The EFF is a, you know, group of lawyers and engineers. And we analyze this question of what is 21st century access look like. And one of the core things that and we've all lived this experience, you use more Internet tomorrow than you used yesterday Right. Every handful of years. You think back like, gosh, I do so much more on the Internet now. There's so many more things to do and more applications and services. And you go back 10 years, you can see how much less data traveled over the Internet because of the fewer things that were available and the more they kept getting invented and added to our life. That trend, on average, is about twenty percent growth in terms of how much data we use per year by twenty one percent more every year for the last 40 years. And so there's little reason not to just presume and predict and project our and base our infrastructure planning on a consistent growth curve of needing more every year for four decades on out. And when you when you Adopt that that understanding, then you have to look at what are your broadband options that will deliver that, because there's lots of broadband options that will deliver a minimum speed, but it's also their maximum potential. Lots of wireless plays that are like long distance or relying on the copper network of the H.T. Monopoly era, that frontier communications is. You still have people on today. Those have reached their limits. They don't really get they can't get faster. And you don't save money by subsidizing those further. You can't leverage investments in there to deliver 21st century access. You have to build it from scratch. And these wires started being built. Fiber optic wires really start getting laid in a large scale well in 2005. And so the the value of the fiber line does versus other options is we haven't even invented the computing hardware technology to make the most of that wire. So that same wire That can do a hundred symmetrical today, can do a gigabit symmetrical tomorrow, can do 10 gigabits much of the day, after all, with the same wire , because it's the advancements of our electronics that will make more use of that wire in in its capacity. So you no longer have to build new roads. You don't have to build new construction projects. You're just you're done once you've built it and you're relying on, you know, just advancements of our technology Energy to make more and more use of the asset, the you know, whether it's a state ed or private entity, you can keep using that as it and I would say the projected capacity available in these wires versus where we are. And on average consumption, you're probably looking at 40 to 50 years of usage before you have to worry about congestion or limitations. That's just not true about any of the other options that industry likes to to tout wireless or satellite or or relying on the old cable network. These will not these will not deliver a consistent growth curve that will meet the future. And so if you don't build it now. Right, we will hit this point where we will have, you know, the Internet we have today will feel like the dial up of yesterday. And the pandemic, I think, has been useful as a learning experience here. Lots of people have kind of basic access out there. Not enough people have really robust connectivity to make full use of the Internet as we needed it when the pandemic hit. You know, as I mentioned earlier, this 21 percent average growth curve, the pandemic was only about double that growth curve. So so usage grew by about 40 to 50 percent, which means that the Internet access you were you suddenly found was insufficient and had to start buying a more expensive cable monopoly option or if you haven't had that option. That's basically what the Internet would have been in 2023. Right. And so, you know, take that knowledge and start thinking like, well, then what's 2025 going to look like in 2020, 2030? You need robust connectivity in all places, which is why the governor's plan of just the state deploying the capacity for all players, for all people to then come up with their own local solutions to leverage that asset is is the means for it to get to universality. Definitely earning future proofing that broadband is absolutely critical. And you mentioned roles earlier, one thing I did want to ask, one of the sectors that we've convened through Connecting California is the philanthropic sector in terms of preparing local municipalities and other actors to help leverage these dollars that are coming down the pipeline. What role can philanthropy play? So, you know, there's going to be there needs to be a stable source of activism and organization of, you know, going back a half a step here. Everyone is impacted by what the price of broadband is Right. And in various fields, telehealth, low income access and education access, we're all impacted if we have inferior infrastructure. And so I think organizing those forces to to go to their local leaders or to come up with their own solutions, you know, if they have an institution that can kind of take a lead on it and access the state money that's made available. If if we pass If we pass Governor Newsom’s plan, you know, I think that's a pretty critical role, because often there's hesitancy, right? There's a little bit of fear. And I think it's perfectly fair. But but you need leaders, right? You need community, a handful community to lead the charge. And I and I can say there's lots of rural county governments that are that are eager to get to get going if they're able to be supported by state financing. But I also think there's lots of cities that are also eager to tackle this challenge, particularly when it comes to low income access and urban. And, you know, they will face a whirlwind of opposition from, you know, primarily from cable, you know, and and in the rural teleco, which is like Frontier Communications and AT&T, because, again, even though they offer even though they're not investing, they still make a lot of money from selling people their legacy, old, slow, expensive stuff. Right. And as long as no one else has a switch to something else and you don't have an alternative, then, you know, they can milk a dying asset for for as long as that that works. And we really have to be willing to take matters in our own hands and encourage and enable people to take that, to be courageous, to take matters and own hands, because I suspect once and this is what they fear, like once the logjam is broken and you have a few proof of concepts and few public models and a few nonprofit models out there, confidence grows, expertize grows. And, you know, to give you like an example of responsive ministry, when Chattanooga happened. Right, the world's fastest, best price, ISP, a little tiny city, their revenues are extremely high compared to the cost, the the a myth. But I think industry likes to put out there, and I'm here to dispel it. The broadband access has never been cheaper and faster, and it's getting cheaper and faster by the day with the new infrastructure. If you lack that new infrastructure, you won't get those advantages right. So, it's really important to get the right wires down to people, right? The right capacity out. But the revenues of Chattanooga are exceeding their costs in a way that that enabled them to do, you know, 10 years free Internet and things like that. But they would what they wanted to do originally was simply say, hey, we're done building to everyone in our city. Let's just go to our neighboring cities next, because we have all this revenue. We can reinvest back in this network and keep expanding, keep expanding. And I suspect if we can get a few successful seeds planted in this state, those networks will flourish. They will reach all they will begin to reach people beyond their original starting point. And then we start sending a shot clock of when the digital divide ends, because as as expertize grows and more, these malls expand, but aren't driven by short term profits and fast profits like the like the big nationals'. There's little reason why we can't get to a hundred percent of people at a price point in a range of price points. That makes it affordable. Thank you so much, Ernesto. There are several comments on the chat, singing your praises and singing the praises of Electronic Frontier Foundation. We are eternally grateful here, Michelson 20MM, for your partnership. So thank you to you and thank you to all of our speakers for their work in getting us closer to achieving digital equity for all Californians. Digital Equity in the California Legislature was presented by the Michelson 20MM Foundation in service of advancing digital equity for all students and families. We want to thank our foundation partners, the California Community Foundation, the Silicon Valley Community Foundation and Southern California Grantmakers. We'll post the recording of today's discussion on our YouTube channel, The Michelson 20MM Foundation by tomorrow. The video will include links in the description so that you may join the Connecting California LinkedIn group, a dedicated space to foster collaboration in California, to advance digital equity and close the divide faster and together. If you or your organization want to become part of our digital equity work, please reach out to me personally at miguel@20mm.org You can also stay engaged by signing up for our newsletter @20mm.org to receive news and updates about Connecting California as well as other events and programs. Thank you so very much for joining us, everyone. Have a great rest of the day. Thank you.